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What may be the weirdest (or accidental) reference to Aphex Twin
Totally accidental, as I have no idea what you are talking about.

One of the demotivational posters was similar to the cover of Aphex Twin's Richard D. James album.
I think it was just the way someone was standing over it just right. I'll post image comparisons tonight if I remember.

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One of the demotivational posters was similar to the cover of Aphex Twin's Richard D. James album.
I think it was just the way someone was standing over it just right. I'll post image comparisons tonight if I remember.


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For left-handed employees, the girl lies on the other side. 8-)


OK Where is it as I appear to have trouble finding the scene you are talking about.

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Find the big office scene with the jello/jelly and then look in back

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Okay I bought this a few days ago but only now I was abl. to read it

Anther superb edition to the erenisch collection!

people already said what I was going to say about the comic, and I agree with most of them. Holly and Sherry have great charcater developments and Aiko is a good addition to the list too.

thanks to Someoneelse now I know what Bechdel test is, so thank you for that :D It is interesting that a BDSM porn comic passes this that test. Perhaps the only one in the history of porn?







But you guys missed one big thing in this comic, a very big thing. We have a "diss" in this comic. Do you realise who Bob Garrets is? :lol: :mrgreen: :P :D :)


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thanks to Someoneelse now I know what Bechdel test is, so thank you for that :D It is interesting that a BDSM porn comic passes this that test. Perhaps the only one in the history of


One of the few ones on dofantasy. Lesbian porn passes the test.

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Well, I bought and read this comic yesterday and have to say i loved it. It is difficult to say much without giving away spoilers for th unfortunate ones but let us just say it is good to be bad :D

I really enjoyed the plot development, the new characters worked very well, i actually felt for Akio for a while. The universe is expanded significantly, there is a tremendous amount of action and lots of demeaning but" arty" posters (see above). It appealed to my cynical side very well and as for the ending? I didn't have a problem with it- you may mutter about convenient timing but that is the price of all fantasy literature, it is necessary to progress the plot and since we all love the plot I am happy to ignore that. I prreferred this to the bottom and it goes well with the Hotel and the Society as Episode Three in the "Sherry Trilogy"

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Find the big office scene with the jello/jelly and then look in back

I figured that girl was hooked up as his mouse... 8-)

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Do you realise who Bob Garrets is?

No. :oops:


Okay, the girl susan krimchyski...

The guy Bob Garrets... Robert Garrets.

Still you don't get it?
Hint: http://erenischcomics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=584

Somewhere Holly uses aquote from him :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Terrific story telling. Its at the point now that when I read Erenisch's comics that I don't considered them porn. I'm so enticed with with what the characters are saying and that the first time I read the comic I don't even look at the images on the page unless a character is referring to something. There really isn't much difference between Erenisch's work and George R.R. Martin's series of Song of Ice and Fire better known as a Game of Thrones. The only difference is that Erenisch uses images while Martin uses words. Those of you who have read the series know that Martin can get real descriptive when describing the sex scenes, probably more x rated then any Erenisch comic.

Like the others I enjoyed the conversation about clothes and how clothes played a big part in story. The interaction between Holly and Sherry was very good and we learn just how quick witted Sherry is.

However, the best interaction between two characters came at the end between Sherry and Paul. That was dynamic and revealed a lot on how their relationship has progressed. I have a funny feeling that they both are going to lose and what they are trying to do to each other. Sorry for being cryptic.

Did we see Carol's future in this comic?

The less intriguing interaction between two characters was between Paul and Trudy. I was really disappointed with Trudy's character. It reminded me too much of the comic "The Clinic." I hate that mind altering *stuff*. It reminded me of the operation that Jenny and Sarah received in "The Clinic." It wouldn't have been too bad if she would have came to how she was on her own.

I've liked to see Aiko have a bigger part but seeing Holly have a bigger role was good. It seems she will be in other comics.

A question not from the comic. Didn't Steve have a brother? If not who was he testing Cathy with in episode 2? Because, unlike Holly, I'd bet your girly friend's back side that that is our mystery man?

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. Its at the point now that when I read Erenisch's comics that I don't considered them porn. I'm so enticed with with what the characters are saying and that the first time I read the comic I don't even look at the images on the page unless a character is referring to something. There really isn't much difference between Erenisch's work and George R.R. Martin's series of Song of Ice and Fire better known as a Game of Thrones. The only difference is that Erenisch uses images while Martin uses words. Those of you who have read the series know that Martin can get real descriptive when describing the sex scenes, probably more x rated then any Erenisch comic.
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The less intriguing interaction between two characters was between Paul and Trudy. I was really disappointed with Trudy's character. It reminded me too much of the comic "The Clinic." I hate that mind altering *stuff*. It reminded me of the operation that Jenny and Sarah received in "The Clinic." It wouldn't have been too bad if she would have came to how she was on her own.

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A question not from the comic. Didn't Steve have a brother? If not who was he testing Cathy with in episode 2? Because, unlike Holly, I'd bet your girly friend's back side that that is our mystery man?


1. I agree the series has become similar to Game of Thrones with its wide cast of characters and interlocking storylines. But I think porn is still the most important part of this series. I think porn is nothing to be ashamed of, porn is a legitimate art form, or it can be. If we have artists and fans who take it seriously as real art, we can elevate our standards. So porn can have great characters and great plot and even a deeper meaning and themes. But it's still PORN. The primary purpose of porn is to be sexy and arousing. I think its important to never lose sight of that. These stories are sexy and hot, and they are meant to be, thats the point.

2. I could not disagree more about Trudy. I LOVED that character. Maybe you were only looking at the surface level? For me they were the most fascinating relationship by far! I went into them at great length in my ridiculously long review, but there is so much going there! Its mysterious, we only get part of their history so we wonder at the rest, it gives us a deeper insight into Pauls' character (his desire to be loved, and his tendency to torture the ones he wants to be loved by), its possibly a deeper insight into Paul and Carol's relationship, if Trudy is a proxy for Carol as we suspect. Trudy made Sherry Jealous, which made the scene more interesting. And Trudy raised the interesting philosophical question about the line between brainwashing and love, in other words, we are left to wonder if Paul is truly satisfied with her professions of love for him because he had to torture her to get them.

Also, I did not get the impression that he had any kind of mind control surgery done on her, I think it was just plastic surgery to make her look like Carol, I think all the mind-stuff was a result of Paul's psycological torture, thats more Paul's style. I read the Trudy scenes again and again, it was my favorite part by far! I am blown away that anyone could ever say anything against them. :shock:

3. I also thought of Steve at that end scene. Perhaps he does have a brother, or maybe he even survived the fire somehow? I did not like the way Steve's character died, but thats what happened. I am not sure I want him to "come back." Alternatively it could be the same mysterious contact who tied Anna up just before Steve kidnapped her.


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dougeee wrote:
. Its at the point now that when I read Erenisch's comics that I don't considered them porn. I'm so enticed with with what the characters are saying and that the first time I read the comic I don't even look at the images on the page unless a character is referring to something. There really isn't much difference between Erenisch's work and George R.R. Martin's series of Song of Ice and Fire better known as a Game of Thrones. The only difference is that Erenisch uses images while Martin uses words. Those of you who have read the series know that Martin can get real descriptive when describing the sex scenes, probably more x rated then any Erenisch comic.
...

The less intriguing interaction between two characters was between Paul and Trudy. I was really disappointed with Trudy's character. It reminded me too much of the comic "The Clinic." I hate that mind altering *stuff*. It reminded me of the operation that Jenny and Sarah received in "The Clinic." It wouldn't have been too bad if she would have came to how she was on her own.

...

A question not from the comic. Didn't Steve have a brother? If not who was he testing Cathy with in episode 2? Because, unlike Holly, I'd bet your girly friend's back side that that is our mystery man?


1. I agree the series has become similar to Game of Thrones with its wide cast of characters and interlocking storylines. But I think porn is still the most important part of this series. I think porn is nothing to be ashamed of, porn is a legitimate art form, or it can be. If we have artists and fans who take it seriously as real art, we can elevate our standards. So porn can have great characters and great plot and even a deeper meaning and themes. But it's still PORN. The primary purpose of porn is to be sexy and arousing. I think its important to never lose sight of that. These stories are sexy and hot, and they are meant to be, thats the point.

2. I could not disagree more about Trudy. I LOVED that character. Maybe you were only looking at the surface level? For me they were the most fascinating relationship by far! I went into them at great length in my ridiculously long review, but there is so much going there! Its mysterious, we only get part of their history so we wonder at the rest, it gives us a deeper insight into Pauls' character (his desire to be loved, and his tendency to torture the ones he wants to be loved by), its possibly a deeper insight into Paul and Carol's relationship, if Trudy is a proxy for Carol as we suspect. Trudy made Sherry Jealous, which made the scene more interesting. And Trudy raised the interesting philosophical question about the line between brainwashing and love, in other words, we are left to wonder if Paul is truly satisfied with her professions of love for him because he had to torture her to get them.

Also, I did not get the impression that he had any kind of mind control surgery done on her, I think it was just plastic surgery to make her look like Carol, I think all the mind-stuff was a result of Paul's psycological torture, thats more Paul's style. I read the Trudy scenes again and again, it was my favorite part by far! I am blown away that anyone could ever say anything against them. :shock:

3. I also thought of Steve at that end scene. Perhaps he does have a brother, or maybe he even survived the fire somehow? I did not like the way Steve's character died, but thats what happened. I am not sure I want him to "come back." Alternatively it could be the same mysterious contact who tied Anna up just before Steve kidnapped her.



I would more agree that is perhaps Steve's brother if he had one than it is Steve. Main reason I never liked the character the other reason is that this guy had member.

As for Trudy and Paul. I did get all the deep meaning to it. It just that we already knew of his obsession he has with Carol. Trudy's character seemed like she was from the movie from Stepford Wives. She seemed more robotic than human. I feel it would have been better if Trudy was jealous of Sherry. Sherry has everything that Trudy wants.

I may have misspoke. It is porn due to all the sex scenes in the comic but the story overall I don't considered it porn. Most porn stories revolve about how to abuse a girl and sex between two characters. Lately Erenisch's stories, to me at least, are about a theme or a subject that has nothing to do with sex. They are not built around sexual intentions. Sex is just thrown in

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good comic too much dialogue for my taste even so very good comic

Things I liked:

the end did not expect it and if I think Peter is blurred

Potts death

Paul has touched everything Lotto Potts is now property including his wife and another daughter great
punishment of Holes

although I would have liked to see the rest when Paul be fucked




things that I did not like:
sex is too terse missed quite a few scenes

Holes scene and sherry could have been a lot more than if
when good start ends

aiko well I think I could have given a little more


even so very good comic waiting to see the 2nd part with all that remains to tell (fucked Holes (and probably revenge for this to Sherry) and Aiko meet the sisters of this look like paul seizes everything was potts etc)


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Do you realise who Bob Garrets is?

No. :oops:


Okay, the girl susan krimchyski...

The guy Bob Garrets... Robert Garrets.

Still you don't get it?
Hint: http://erenischcomics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=584

Somewhere Holly uses aquote from him :lol: :lol: :lol:


Robert Garrets I assume is Roberts from Dofantasy.

Who is Susan Krimchyski?

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Lately Erenisch's stories, to me at least, are about a theme or a subject that has nothing to do with sex. They are not built around sexual intentions. Sex is just thrown in


But its not. Sex, desire and power are the core of the stories. And they are better for it. The plot and characterizations are amazing and they make the erotic parts much stronger, all the elements bind together synergistically and build a greater whole. But the sexual intentions are not "just thrown in," not all.

In fact, if the stories ever reach a point where the sex is just "thrown in" the comics will no longer be good.

This is very high quality porn, it shows how good porn can be. I think what you are doing dougee, is looking at low quality porn that populates the market place, and thinking that to call something with a good story "porn" that cheapens the artistic value. But that is not the case. Trying to re-classify Erenisch comics as not pornographic does not somehow raise their value. Quite the opposite, to claim this isn't porn denies its achievement. So often porn is such low quality, it makes this high quality porn that much more amazing. We should never fall into the trap of being ashamed of appreciating porn as a true art form. Its OK to make sexual situations the main point of a story.

In a way perhaps what E has done is split the difference between visual-based porn magazines and character based romance novels-which I also consider porn by the way. The purpose of the stories, is definitely to arouse, hence it is porn.

There is so much un-tapped potential for high quality porn like this.


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I agree with Otherguy, regarding porn and art.

It's easy for us to think of art and porn as some kind of zero sum game:

Porn ----------/---------- Art

so that as something grows more artistic, it becomes less pornographic:

Porn --------/------------ Art

But I don't think porn and art are zero-sum games. I think they're separate continua:

Not pornographic ----------/---------- Extremely pornographic
Not artistic ----------/---------- Extremely artistic

And I think a fair representation of Erenisch's work, along those separate continua, would be something like this:

Not pornographic --/------------------ Extremely pornographic
Not artistic -/------------------- Extremely artistic

There are plenty of examples of work with great literary or artistic value that is also pornographic. Story of O. The Image. Some of Bataille's writing, though it often crosses from my personal sense of the erotic, and into the grotesque (a very young girl on a bicycle, hit by a car; the two main characters r@pe her while she's dying; etc.). Alain Robbe-Grillet's films. Even Federico Fellini's masterpiece, 8 1/2, had a scene with Barbara Steele getting whipped, for pure pornographic pleasure:

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Lina Wertmuller's 1974 movie, Swept Away, has elements of Shakespearean tragedy, and an anti-capitalist manifesto, and some really great bitchbeatings and power exchange:

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The photography of Man Ray:

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When I was young, too young to give a number here, I used to look at that image in an art book, with my legs in the air, imagining some brilliant cellist playing me. And it's "real" art, nonetheless.

Image

(Just found that and thought I'd share.)

Helmut Newton:

Image

Image

and so many more.

These are just a few examples, from memory, of "real" art that is also "real" porn. But it's filtered through my predilections -- hetero, Maledom/femsub, sadomasochistic, forniphiliac, etc. There's probably a ton of other "real" art that I never stopped to consider pornographic just because it didn't do anything for me.


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Thats a very insightful post! And so many links and pictures too. Practically a work of art in itself :)

I just want to say that I LOVED "Swept Away" I saw the original italian version of that movie when I was quite young and it had a huge impact on me. Maybe its to blame for me growing up into such a perv lol. The re-make with Madonna was Ok, but it was no where near as good as the original.

Of course, I always stopped the movie before the last few scenes, so I could pretend they stayed on the island and lived happily ever after. :-)


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At a certain publisher I know they have an Art department. The first test to join, which is pass/fail, is to draw people.
90% of applicants fail.

The human body can be a beautiful thing without being sexual. One painted picture that stuck in my adolescent mind was of two bare breasted girls from times gone by where one girl was gripping the nipple of the other. The explanation given was it was a custom of celebrating pregnancy. That explained the look of pure joy on their faces and not ecstasy.

As E shows us time and time again the faces of people do a tremendous job of communicating emotions and feelings etc to us but the face is not alone in its ability of non verbal communication. The whole body can be used and that is why artists use it.

The link between porn/art is probably more in the eye of the beholder than we would think. E might draw these for sexual release but Aliens might find them as pleasing as looking at wildlife paintings. Some people can do that and some artwork can be the same as wildlife art.

I think I may be suffering some sort of communication error. I am not sure I have expressed myself as intended. I hope you all got the point I wanted. (Backing up someoneelse's point about Porn/art not being simply a check box)

OH and peoples definition of art can vary. How many times has modern art been swept into the rubbish by mistake?

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But you guys missed one big thing in this comic, a very big thing. We have a "diss" in this comic. Do you realise who Bob Garrets is? :lol: :mrgreen: :P :D :)

I wouldn't call it a diss, just a friendly jab. He jabbed us a little, and I jabbed back. ;)

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And I think a fair representation of Erenisch's work, along those separate continua, would be something like this:

Not pornographic --/------------------ Extremely pornographic
Not artistic -/------------------- Extremely artistic

You either have a very low opinion of my work, or our visual graphicl senses are not in synch :D (but yeah I know, thank you for the huge praise here)



On art/porn debate, as flattered as I am, I will refrain from placing my own work on some kind of spectrum. Art is a very relative thing. One might compare a Mondrian to cheap wallpaper, wile the other sees elementary beauty in it. Neither would be essentially wrong. Personally if I discern intelligence and passion in a work, and if it has a significant emotional impact on me, I consider it art (in the narrower sense).


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